YIBAMBE! T’Challa: The Black Panther Appreciation 2022

[Klaue's Mixtape]

You mean like the Michael B Jordan story we just got from Ryan coogler

You died a lil inside when the movie opened in Oakland didnt you Ekie?

[4sake Baned]

I don't mind the international scale, but to be completely honest. Democratic Wakanda is so frakking boring and generic. What makes Wakanda Cool is that it has had a monarch since it's inception with a leader who defends their nation while sporting a cat suit and is blessed by a god. So I guess I would actually have Ridley spend as a secondary plot throughout his run, the issues Wakanda faces as a democracy and the issues with it. Coates asked the question why Wakanda was a Monarch even though being centuries ahead of the world, then didn't bother to answer and Instead pretended that a Western democracy was the greatest thing ever whole shitting in the Monarch. Ridley should do the reverse, ultimately ending with a Monarch again since ya know, Wakanda was successful for 10k+ years without issue with a monarch

That whole exchange is so damn weird. Y’all were halfway through the damn book before you decided to run this by the BP office/the rest of editorial? A child is a product of two characters, instituting such a major status quo shift to a headlining Avenger and essentially pushing him to be a legacy is something that requires that character’s writer to approve.

Maybe this was a matter of Coates approving early on then Ridley letting Marvel know his plans for his run then the thing getting scrapped. But I can’t imagine that the heir to Wakanda would get revealed in anything other than a BP book. The fact that was even considered is disrespectful.

The X-Office’s writers have been trying to have the mutants colonize Wakanda via Storm ever since this era began and I’m happy to hear someone at editorial had enough sense to say “That makes no sense for T’Challa, take that shit somewhere else”. We dodged probably the worst story beat that could’ve occurred to T’Challa lol.

Can’t be better said

[Klaue's Mixtape]

Damn shame if they go this route.

Black Panther: Wakanda Forever (November 11)

Ryan Coogler’s Black Panther follow-up, starring Letitia Wright’s Shuri in place of the late Chadwick Boseman’s T’Challa, could suffer slightly due to not starring the first film’s title character. When part one earns $700 million domestic and $1.346 billion worldwide while nabbing a Best Picture nomination, maybe there’s nowhere to go but down especially absent “folks were just curious” audiences. A more crowded tentpole schedule might eat into post-debut business. Black Panther: Wakanda Forever may have to settle for the vast majority of the money instead of “all the money.” That said, everyone loved Black Panther. Disney will push the “honor the man, honor the film” variable as hard as Universal pushed Furious 7 “for Paul Walker.” The “how” of a Black Panther movie without Black Panther may increase curiosity. Wakanda Forever will probably be the year’s biggest domestic earner.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottme...h=6e4a2e9e57ee

[Ezyo1000]

Yeah, Wakanda is great. Just don't frak up T'Challa to make it look good/bad.

I have fully transferred to side with house MoS on I would sacrifice 10000 Wakandan redshirts of it meant T'Challa got to pull off a massive feat

[Ekie]

I hope capcom gets another shot at marvels vs capcom and T'challa's in the base roster. They need to throw infinite's BP in the bushes and start from scratch tho

I really hope Capcom just does an Avengers vs X-Men game billed as a marvel superheros sequel. The nostalgia of crossing over has worn for me.

If I really had my way Arc System works would just make an all Marvel fighter

[Marvell2100]

I have fully transferred to side with house MoS on I would sacrifice 10000 Wakandan redshirts of it meant T'Challa got to pull off a massive feat

It's not an either or though. You can have a great T'Challa without a subpar Wakanda. SWaD showed that it could be done.

Wakanda has a role to play. If Wakanda got blown up and everyone killed to show how badass T'Challa is, then I don't want to read that story because it's shitty.

[Huntsman Spider]

Well, when you admittedly don't care for the character, characterization won't be a concern.

Solid point there.

Great ideas poorly executed by a writer who had no business even being on the book and was clearly not experienced or creative enough to tell them in a compelling manner. Those were epics that Priest, Hudlin, and Redjack would of absolutely crushed it

Yeah, I can agree with that much.

I really hope Capcom just does an Avengers vs X-Men game billed as a marvel superheros sequel. The nostalgia of crossing over has worn for me.

If I really had my way Arc System works would just make an all Marvel fighter

Arc System Works would make a great all-Marvel fighter, I'm certain.

[Ezyo1000]

It's not an either or though. You can have a great T'Challa without a subpar Wakanda. SWaD showed that it could be done.

Wakanda has a role to play. If Wakanda got blown up and everyone killed to show how badass T'Challa is, then I don't want to read that story because it's shitty.

Oh no I don't mean the destruction of Wakanda for T'Challa to get a big feat, Hickman already did that.

I am saying more along the lines of Redjacks KiB. Wakanda as a whole cane off well, but it was VERY clear from the jump that had T'Challa not shown up, Wakanda would of been overwhelmed. It was BECAUSE of T'Challa, the man with a plan, that Wakanda not only repelled the invasion, but cleared all of Africa as well. That's what I mean by sacrificing redshirts. RJs version, not TRO or Empyre version.

[Vordan]

As a Black Panther fan, I hear what you're saying. After listening to JH and knowing that he actually likes Black Panther as a character. To add the man might be one of the most competent and talented writers Marvel had. I'll go on record as wanting to see the story Black Panther having a son, with powers and an heir to possibly 2 nations. Yes, it would come off with Bruce/Damien vibes. Hickman, I believe would be able to elevate to something cooler. They can tell him all they want about big plans for BP, only thing they planning for is rubbing him out, IMHO. I hate the relationship in bad writers hands, but I have no issue with the concept.

I actually love the idea of T’Challa having a kid. Just not with Storm. What Hickman wanted to do would’ve made it impossible for BP to ever potentially explore other LIs since Storm being his BM, and most writers favoring the mutants over Wakanda, would’ve tied T’Challa to her and the mutants permanently. T’Challa having to be a dad however has a ton of potential. He’d no doubt try to emulate T’Chaka and that could be a fun route towards exploring both the advantages and drawbacks of how T’Challa’s father raised him. Plenty of material to explore father-son relationships there, especially since T’Challa can talk to his father’s ghost (as well as the rest of the BPs).

[chief12d]

I actually love the idea of T’Challa having a kid. Just not with Storm. What Hickman wanted to do would’ve made it impossible for BP to ever potentially explore other LIs since Storm being his BM, and most writers favoring the mutants over Wakanda, would’ve tied T’Challa to her and the mutants permanently. T’Challa having to be a dad however has a ton of potential. He’d no doubt try to emulate T’Chaka and that could be a fun route towards exploring both the advantages and drawbacks of how T’Challa’s father raised him. Plenty of material to explore father-son relationships there, especially since T’Challa can talk to his father’s ghost (as well as the rest of the BPs).

If T’Challa had a kid I think Princess Zanda would be interesting. She’s probably hated in Wakanda after the whole threatening to nuke the entire country into oblivion situation from the Kirby run and she’s an international criminal lol. If Narobia is still a war torn nation I could see some corrupt, expansionist factions within Wakanda’s government wanting to position the child as ruler. And a part of me feels T’Challa would have trouble relating to the kid if he was raised outside Wakanda. Trying to teach the kid Wakandan customs and the kid’s saying that those traditions suck lol. What would be really interesting is if the kid doesn’t even want to be king. Under Zanda he would’ve been raised on the run, constantly traveling, no real place to call home. There’d be no sense of connection to Wakanda and maybe he’s more interested in archaeology than ruling.

A child with Monica Lynne would be interesting if they had gotten married and had the kid in Wakanda. I imagine most Wakandans would reject the kid outright and he’d only find comfort within the palace walls. Monica’s family would probably be concerned and constantly complaining about the kid’s safety in Wakanda. If the kid is born with some kind of health issues that require tech/magic to address maybe the life T’Challa imagined with his son looks nothing like the one he had with his dad. Lots of potential there.

The main thing would be giving T’Challa a relationship with his child that shows both the positives and negatives of T’Challa’s own upbringing. Regardless of who the mother is there’d need to be this tension between T’Challa’s attempts to uphold tradition while giving his kid the space to be their own person. While also shielding them from the complications that come with being such a public figure and the trouble that can create. I’m not sure I want T’Challa to have a kid yet but there are a lot of interesting stories opened by going that route. I’m surprised more AUs don’t play with the idea.

[Ekie]

You died a lil inside when the movie opened in Oakland didnt you Ekie?

"[Killmonger] He’s such a good villain, in fact, that he effortlessly steals every scene he appears in, and highlights how fundamentally boring T’Challa actually is."

"But this film feels less like T’Challa’s story, and more like Killmonger’s."

"The story really picks up when he acquires the throne, and his final act, choosing a noble death rather than living in chains, is deeply poignant. Unfortunatly, T’Challa doesn’t come anywhere close to leaving such an impression".
https://www.forbes.com/sites/danidip...h=7200b57d36d8

[Frontier]

I wouldn't mind T'Challa having a child but incorporating a kid with an established character, let alone a character like T'Challa, is incredibly difficult to stick the landing on. Moreso because, especially with Storm, it's hard to give T'Challa a proper leading lady or queen without any baggage.

[Klaue's Mixtape]

"[Killmonger] He’s such a good villain, in fact, that he effortlessly steals every scene he appears in, and highlights how fundamentally boring T’Challa actually is."

"But this film feels less like T’Challa’s story, and more like Killmonger’s."

"The story really picks up when he acquires the throne, and his final act, choosing a noble death rather than living in chains, is deeply poignant. Unfortunatly, T’Challa doesn’t come anywhere close to leaving such an impression".
https://www.forbes.com/sites/danidip...h=7200b57d36d8

Wow. That person totally changed my opinion on this subject.

If I post people raving about Coates Black Panther I guess that means you'll change yours huh?

[BlackClaw]

I wouldn't mind T'Challa having a child but incorporating a kid with an established character, let alone a character like T'Challa, is incredibly difficult to stick the landing on. Moreso because, especially with Storm, it's hard to give T'Challa a proper leading lady or queen without any baggage.

If those rumors about BP2 are true don’t be surprised if Ridley decides to revive NuNakia. Lol. With the bombshell that Hickman dropped, this will be a rare case of synergy turning out to be a good thing with this franchise since that will solidify Nakia as T’Challas leading lady and we can finally put the T’Challa/Storm romance to rest.

[BlackClaw]

Bast, our first major BP news of the years has to be tied to the X-Men. Some things never change.