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    Quote Originally Posted by Gessela View Post
    Kilmonger’s character was brash and bold, which appeals to many. He was also immature, irrational and destined to fail.

    It’s very similar to how people like Scarface (Tony Montana) and conveniently leave out that he too was immature, irrational and destined to fail.

    In the end, sometimes when people view art, what they get from it, speaks to their own growth and perspective.
    erik also shot his girlfriend in the head to further his revenge plot. Yeah, his momma would be proud. people conveniently ignore this, or invent an elaborate, conveniently "she deserved it" backstory for her to justify it. #Killmongerwasavillain

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    Quote Originally Posted by MindofShadow View Post
    Killmongers music SLAPPED too lol
    Looool yeah it was pretty baller. Really the whole score was straight up fire

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hypestyle View Post
    erik also shot his girlfriend in the head to further his revenge plot. Yeah, his momma would be proud. people conveniently ignore this, or invent an elaborate, conveniently "she deserved it" backstory for her to justify it. #Killmongerwasavillain
    shhhhhhh Killmonger cared about black people! Who wasn't just emotionally a child bent on revenge against a boogyman he built up in his head! He cared!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hypestyle View Post
    erik also shot his girlfriend in the head to further his revenge plot. Yeah, his momma would be proud. people conveniently ignore this, or invent an elaborate, conveniently "she deserved it" backstory for her to justify it. #Killmongerwasavillain
    She understood the assignment..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hypestyle View Post
    erik also shot his girlfriend in the head to further his revenge plot. Yeah, his momma would be proud. people conveniently ignore this, or invent an elaborate, conveniently "she deserved it" backstory for her to justify it. #Killmongerwasavillain
    Not to mention the only reason the watcher put him on the guardians of the multiverse was because he knew Killmonger would be a snake and therefore plucked him from his universe to give it a chance to recover.
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    Queen Lupita tested positive for Covid-19. Thankfully she’s fully vaccinated so let’s hope she makes a full recovery.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackClaw View Post
    Queen Lupita tested positive for Covid-19. Thankfully she’s fully vaccinated so let’s hope she makes a full recovery.
    Yeah, let's hope that she does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MindofShadow View Post
    shhhhhhh Killmonger cared about black people! Who wasn't just emotionally a child bent on revenge against a boogyman he built up in his head! He cared!!!
    Yeah he wasn't just a psychopathic hypocrite who wanted to destroy everything around him and watch the world burn to get his revenge.

    Yet people think that he is somehow redeemable lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezyo1000 View Post
    Yeah he wasn't just a psychopathic hypocrite who wanted to destroy everything around him and watch the world burn to get his revenge.

    Yet people think that he is somehow redeemable lol
    The director chose to make him extremely sympathetic. Didn't have to do that but he chose to do it because he was looking out for his boy like any of us would our friend. We didn't need the long killmonger death scene. We didn't need his flashback with his father, didn't need killmonger to be the one to kill Klaue. The scenes were good but it clearly confused the audience as well as the actor himself on whether or not he was a villain and it came at the expense and time of the titular character who needed those types of moments himself in an introductory movie.

    T'challa is capable of being written as a bold and exciting character, the director was just unable to identify with him because the character really isn't his cup of tea. It's hard to write a character as compelling when you don't really understand what makes them so and can't identify with them. Marvel thinks every black man can identify with every black character but that's not the case. Coats couldn't identify with t'challa and had a severe misunderstanding about who the character was, his mindset, and his importance. Same happened here.

    If the director of Ironman2 set out to make Mickey Rourke super sympathetic and super relatable to the point where half the audience is cheering for him over Iron Man then I'm sure they could have done so. Most choose some type of ambiguity without reaching the line of confusion as to who the hero is. Black panther fans know who it is and can fill in the blanks but these casuals are clearly confused.

    Worked out well for Oakland native killmonger though
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ekie View Post
    The director chose to make him extremely sympathetic.
    Eh, it made him a great villain.

    Still a villain though lol.

    They made Loki "sympathetic" and he is just as much of a psychopath as Killmonger. Makes for a good villain though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MindofShadow View Post
    Eh, it made him a great villain.

    Still a villain though lol.

    They made Loki "sympathetic" and he is just as much of a psychopath as Killmonger. Makes for a good villain though.
    True he was somewhat sympathetic with his daddy issues but that pales in comparison to fighting for the rights of all dis-valued minority asgardians everywhere and he wasn't given the compelling flashbacks or memorable lines ("bury me in the ocean") to rival Thor's depiction/placement. I've never heard someone try to make the claim that Loki is a hero

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    Before anyone accuses me of hating the movie because I have a critique I just want to say how on Point these two are about the impact of the movie and the importance of the character/concept. It's beautiful to see

    https://youtu.be/heUMd8dTfLQ

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackClaw View Post
    If those rumors about BP2 are true don’t be surprised if Ridley decides to revive NuNakia. Lol. With the bombshell that Hickman dropped, this will be a rare case of synergy turning out to be a good thing with this franchise since that will solidify Nakia as T’Challas leading lady and we can finally put the T’Challa/Storm romance to rest.
    It’d be wild if T’Challa and NuNakia had a child and left them in deep space lol. T’Challa’s memories of that whole period being so wonky means a future writer could easily make that reveal if they wanted.

    I’ll be interested to see how Ridley approaches the Intergalactic Empire, if the final page of the first issue is any indication, he doesn’t seem all that interested in doing anything substantial in deep space. T’Challa is staying within the solar system for the foreseeable future but I find it hard to believe we won’t eventually return to Empire down the road. M’Baku is probably based there as of the Last Annihilation one shot and there’s still the question of where those rock monsters from the first issue came from.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ekie View Post
    True he was somewhat sympathetic with his daddy issues but that pales in comparison to fighting for the rights of all dis-valued minority asgardians everywhere and he wasn't given the compelling flashbacks or memorable lines ("bury me in the ocean") to rival Thor's depiction/placement. I've never heard someone try to make the claim that Loki is a hero
    Because no one is trying to bury Thor like they are with T'Challa.

    Marvel has ZERO issue tossing out Loki lead books (or even Venom or Harley) unlike KIllmonger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ekie View Post
    True he was somewhat sympathetic with his daddy issues but that pales in comparison to fighting for the rights of all dis-valued minority asgardians everywhere and he wasn't given the compelling flashbacks or memorable lines ("bury me in the ocean") to rival Thor's depiction/placement. I've never heard someone try to make the claim that Loki is a hero
    Well... Anyone thinking that was what Erik was saying, and not Nakia, have some serious blinders on.

    He wasn't saying that at all, everything out of his mouth was how Wakanda should of been running the world. How they were going to be on top and the sun won't set on the Wakandan empire agree though that T'Challa needed more development as well as the motivation to Open Wakanda instead of Nakia

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