YIBAMBE! T’Challa: The Black Panther Appreciation 2022

[BlackClaw]

Oh I got a solution for that. Kill off Ayo and Aneka and bring back Taku and venom. Than if they bitch about it we can say "Oh so you are intimated by a gay black man and his lover? Misandrist! Racist! You can't stand a gay black man in love and being represented" because ya, that's an acceptable argument to sling when people want Shuri to take over the franchise...

Speaking of Taku and Venom did they show up in Marvel voices pride?

[DigiCom]

Speaking of Taku and Venom did they show up in Marvel voices pride?

Yes, actually. And they are even married:

[BlackClaw]

Yes, actually. And they are even married:

These guys need to come back to the main book. Well when it gets a better writer at least.

[dkrook]

... Is it bad that I want a Hudlinesque purging of T'Challas extended supporting cast? Blowing away Aneka, Ayo, Tosin, Akili, and Omolola? Done to show how "dangerous" this villain is? That would be sweet.

Those characters in particular are useless and provide nothing to the franchise other that isht slinging. Then bring back W'Kabi and Zuri and have the focus back on T'Challa with a tight knit supporting cast of: Shuri, Okoye, W'Kabi, Zuri and nuNakia as primaries, Kasper as the new lead of the HZ, and Ramonda to make appearances here and there. I'm so tired of useless characters and that needs to have his status quo reset back to basics

Naw bruh, you gotta go full stop! Shuri has to be in that bag too. I went from being mildly annoyed by her to out right detesting her. Matter of fact you can keep all the other ones and get rid of just her and even thats a start.

[dkrook]

On a separate note of what might be okay, or great news there's a new Black Panther book by Bryan Hill called Black Panther: Unconquered coming out. Supposed to be just T'Challa....stay turned. I don't know how to cut and clip post. https://www.marvel.com/articles/comi...reat-unleashed

[skyvolt2000]

Looks like Marvel sent one of their best T'Challa Hitman to put out an NYT attack add on the recast movement.

Roxanne Gay:
While the franchise must go on, this beloved character appears unlikely to venture into that future, even if Black Panther lives on.


Cont: unfortunately, whichever character, and actor, takes on the mantle of Black Panther next will bear the brunt of fans’ doubts, disappointment and derision — particularly if the new Black Panther will be, as some have speculated, a woman. Heaven forbid!


Horrid arguments

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/06/o...n-wakanda.html

That is ALL they care about. Just admit to it.

But the fundamental issue isn’t whether or not a role in one movie should be recast; it’s about what representation demands. Black Panther, in 2018, bore the weight of outsize fan expectations, as a groundbreaking Black superhero leading a major film. That is an unreasonable burden to place on one character, on one actor, on one film. Black people — men and boys as mentioned in the petition, but also women and girls — should have more than one superhero to enjoy and see themselves in. So should people of other races and ethnicities, cultures and identities.

The 2009 cast of Star Trek movie
The cast of Star Trek Strange Worlds
James Bond
Batman

Had to do it.

13 folks faced it when they took the role of Dr Who. Ncuti Gatwa-what does she think HE is going to face????

(We’ve seen this time and again, most notably in the Star Wars franchise, where actors of color have endured unconscionable harassment for contradicting certain fans’ notions of who can be heroic in our imagined, interstellar futures.)

Nobody had an issue with Donald Glover as Lando.

Meanwhile ORIGINAL CREATED FOLKS like John Boyega got attacked.

We should not be asking Marvel to recast T’Challa; we should be asking it to expand the roster of heroes. We have to think bigger and demand more.

Or we could do like MILESTONE and make our own BLEEP.

But the fundamental issue isn’t whether or not a role in one movie should be recast; it’s about what representation demands.

Why are these FAKE woke folks not going after DC Comics?

Where are the black woman lead films there?
Marvel has done more to increase black female representation than DC.
Shuri, Storm, Moon Girl, Riri, Okeye & Danielle Cage have all lead a book or been the lead in a book or novel.

[skyvolt2000]

Naw bruh, you gotta go full stop! Shuri has to be in that bag too. I went from being mildly annoyed by her to out right detesting her. Matter of fact you can keep all the other ones and get rid of just her and even thats a start.

Excluding the movie...

Marvel (at least the novel side) has tried to make Shuri her OWN person.

Oh I got a solution for that. Kill off Ayo and Aneka and bring back Taku and venom. Than if they bitch about it we can say "Oh so you are intimated by a gay black man and his lover? Misandrist! Racist! You can't stand a gay black man in love and being represented" because ya, that's an acceptable argument to sling when people want Shuri to take over the franchise...

If Ayo and Aneka are removed-let them YELL. What have they bought to the franchise aside from being lovers? If Black Panther was at Boom Studios-they would be fully developed with NO shade at T'Challa and being lovers is the bonus not the ONLY thing to them.

With the hate tossed at Aqualad-a gay black male with a boyfriend does seem to intimidate folks. Certainly has not helped Prodigy.

[Tofali]

On a separate note of what might be okay, or great news there's a new Black Panther book by Bryan Hill called Black Panther: Unconquered coming out. Supposed to be just T'Challa....stay turned. I don't know how to cut and clip post. https://www.marvel.com/articles/comi...reat-unleashed

It's a one-shot.

[king of hybrids]

Kymera about to show up to give T'Challa the reason you suck speech then starts dating Tosin and they can drag him together

And the Avengers back Azari while being portrayed as an elitist country club

War of the Wakandan Succession; the summer event nobody asked for

[Ezyo1000]

Looks like Marvel sent one of their best T'Challa Hitman to put out an NYT attack add on the recast movement.

Roxanne Gay:
While the franchise must go on, this beloved character appears unlikely to venture into that future, even if Black Panther lives on.

In the character’s mythology, King T’Challa inherited the title of Black Panther from a line of ancestors, along with powers derived from a magical herb — so it’s logically possible that it would be passed along to someone else if T’Challa died.


Cont: unfortunately, whichever character, and actor, takes on the mantle of Black Panther next will bear the brunt of fans’ doubts, disappointment and derision — particularly if the new Black Panther will be, as some have speculated, a woman. Heaven forbid! (We’ve seen this time and again, most notably in the Star Wars franchise, where actors of color have endured unconscionable harassment for contradicting certain fans’ notions of who can be heroic in our imagined, interstellar futures.)

For the time being, the filmmakers made the best decision they could. It would be deeply unfair to expect any actor, however talented, to step into the massive shoes Mr. Boseman left behind. The new King T’Challa would forever compete with our memory of the original. The successor would be expected to somehow channel Mr. Boseman’s swagger and gravitas, to replace the irreplaceable. And when the actor who plays the new king inevitably disappointed audiences for not actually being Mr. Boseman, he would become the target of intense ire. We should not ask anyone to be placed in that line of fire.

But the fundamental issue isn’t whether or not a role in one movie should be recast; it’s about what representation demands. Black Panther, in 2018, bore the weight of outsize fan expectations, as a groundbreaking Black superhero leading a major film. That is an unreasonable burden to place on one character, on one actor, on one film. Black people — men and boys as mentioned in the petition, but also women and girls — should have more than one superhero to enjoy and see themselves in. So should people of other races and ethnicities, cultures and identities. We should not be asking Marvel to recast T’Challa; we should be asking it to expand the roster of heroes. We have to think bigger and demand more.

Horrid arguments

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/06/o...n-wakanda.html

Yeah these arguments are so stupid. And clearly shows her lack of knowledge since she says he Inherits the mantle as if he isn't special and he just gets it just because, however, given the quality of her BP WoW was, it's no wonder she would say something like that because she clearly doesn't understand.

Again it's the same reused arguments that ignore history of how Hollywood operates and pretends that no one has ever taken over a role before. When we have seen it happen and be successful. And they just keep sliding in there these subtle jabs that the recast movement is against Shuri because she is a woman and ignore the whole thing and what it says. Which ondi find ironic that the other excuse they use is "fans shouldn't demand a recast, they should demand more black heroes" while telling them to erase one for another.

Because bet money of the Shuri was the franchise holder and letitia had passed instead of Chad, there would be no push for a male character to take over. They would use the same argument, "Sexist!your can't stand to see Strong black women!" On their mind that argument goes both ways for female characters and it's okay on their eyes. But a black male character MUST give the role to a black female character

[WallStreeter]

Chadwick Bossn had done w lot of movies before Black Panther. Leticia Wright? Who even heard of her? They should have either recast T’Challa OR resurrected Kilmonger. to make him the Black Panther again. I feel Black Panther 2 was too early to have Shuri be the Black Panther. I don’t think it will do nearly as well at the box office.

[Marvell2100]

On a separate note of what might be okay, or great news there's a new Black Panther book by Bryan Hill called Black Panther: Unconquered coming out. Supposed to be just T'Challa....stay turned. I don't know how to cut and clip post. https://www.marvel.com/articles/comi...reat-unleashed

Just saw this. Maybe worth checking out.

[Marvell2100]

Looks like Marvel sent one of their best T'Challa Hitman to put out an NYT attack add on the recast movement.

Roxanne Gay:
While the franchise must go on, this beloved character appears unlikely to venture into that future, even if Black Panther lives on.

In the character’s mythology, King T’Challa inherited the title of Black Panther from a line of ancestors, along with powers derived from a magical herb — so it’s logically possible that it would be passed along to someone else if T’Challa died.


Cont: unfortunately, whichever character, and actor, takes on the mantle of Black Panther next will bear the brunt of fans’ doubts, disappointment and derision — particularly if the new Black Panther will be, as some have speculated, a woman. Heaven forbid! (We’ve seen this time and again, most notably in the Star Wars franchise, where actors of color have endured unconscionable harassment for contradicting certain fans’ notions of who can be heroic in our imagined, interstellar futures.)

For the time being, the filmmakers made the best decision they could. It would be deeply unfair to expect any actor, however talented, to step into the massive shoes Mr. Boseman left behind. The new King T’Challa would forever compete with our memory of the original. The successor would be expected to somehow channel Mr. Boseman’s swagger and gravitas, to replace the irreplaceable. And when the actor who plays the new king inevitably disappointed audiences for not actually being Mr. Boseman, he would become the target of intense ire. We should not ask anyone to be placed in that line of fire.

But the fundamental issue isn’t whether or not a role in one movie should be recast; it’s about what representation demands. Black Panther, in 2018, bore the weight of outsize fan expectations, as a groundbreaking Black superhero leading a major film. That is an unreasonable burden to place on one character, on one actor, on one film. Black people — men and boys as mentioned in the petition, but also women and girls — should have more than one superhero to enjoy and see themselves in. So should people of other races and ethnicities, cultures and identities. We should not be asking Marvel to recast T’Challa; we should be asking it to expand the roster of heroes. We have to think bigger and demand more.

Horrid arguments

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/06/o...n-wakanda.html

So to paraphrase, the role is just too great for someone else to play. Just plain BS.

[BlackClaw]

So to paraphrase, the role is just too great for someone else to play. Just plain BS.

In all fairness she does bring up that they can recast via multiverse but like you said, same tired ass arguments.

[BlackClaw]

Naw bruh, you gotta go full stop! Shuri has to be in that bag too. I went from being mildly annoyed by her to out right detesting her. Matter of fact you can keep all the other ones and get rid of just her and even thats a start.

Nah we can keep Shuri. The problem is that writers won’t give her a lane of her own. If it were up to me I’d just turn her into the Nightwing of the franchise and have her lane be magic with the whole Griot thing. That way it stops her from being a parasite. Have Okoye be the head Dora, bring back Kasper and have him be the face of the HZ, have either NuNakia or a revamped Monica Lynne be the queen and mother of T’Challas kid, throw in a pet for T’Challa and we’ve got gold.

Again I wouldn’t kill off Ayo and Aneka as Marvel would get backlash for the “bury your gays” trope but I’d either put them in a limited series team book or just relegate them to the background. But as for the other pet characters introduced in Coates and Ridleys runs? They’re getting killed off. And I’d personally save the most brutal death for Tosin. Lol.