Iron Man Appreciation: Welcome to the Iron Age

[Tony Stark]

Alright, so I read through all of Civil War since this post, including the tie ins. Here's where I stand.

Going in, I expected to pretty much hate Tony coming out of CW. I heard he did some awful stuff so I was a little biased. Through the first few issues, this was still the case. But, as the war went on and I got a better look at Tony's mindset and reasoning, I really started to understand him and sympathize with him.

Tony did the best he could. Several times during the war, it was pointed out that "going back to the good old days" was not on the table. Change was inevitable and Tony felt that he needed too to step up and compromise with the government. If not, they likely would have banned all superheroes entirely. Without Tony's actions, the superheroes would have been much worse off.

Then, you look at what Tony actually did. Several times, he tried to reason with Cap, meeting with him at Avengers Mansion and Yankee Stadium, two of my favorite scenes in the war. Steve's forces broke up the second attempt at negotiation. At another point, Tony offered Steve his hand and Steve put the electron scrambler in it. Tony was, in a lot of ways, consistently the more reasonable of the two throughout the war. Tony winds up helping Aunt May after she is shot, despite feeling so betrayed by Peter's actions.

I also am touched by Tony's emotions. The way I read it, nothing he did was for himself. In fact, he hated every second of it. He knew that most, if not all, of his friends would hate him for his actions. To many people, he would not be a true "hero" anymore. Tony lost two of his very best friends, Happy and Steve, and he pushed on because he knew he was right.

I wound up disliking Cap a lot more than I felt anything negative towards Tony. Cap was being naive and, I would argue, blindly stubborn. Tony even pointed out that Steve wasn't seeing the world for the complicated place that it is. Cap fought on a lot longer than he should have and he refused to truly consider any alternatives because they didn't mesh with his principles. I would say that a lot of the things that go wrong/the bad things that happen in CW can be blamed on Cap.

Tony is not guilt free. But he's not a monster or a villain for what he did and I definitely don't hate him or even dislike him for what he did. I'm reading the aftermath now (I read Planet Hulk and now I'm onto The Initiative.)

I'm glad you liked it. Now you see where Tony was coming from. Tony did some bad things during Civil War, but he was on the right side. Not agreeing with some of the things he did though. Tony tried talking with Steve, but he wanted none of it. Imagine if Tony didn't take the lead. The heroes would have been fighting the government. Soldiers, cops, etc. Now you can see the whole picture and again glad you enjoyed it. When you read about Tony in Planet Hulk and The Initiative come back and let us know how you feel about it.

[Jokerz79]

With Civil War I think both men within with noble intentions for what they believed in but neither came out like that both Tony and Steve crossed lines and put their fellow heroes lives at risk because they wanted to win IMO. Now I will say Tony's sins are shared with Reed and Hank and not solely his fault while Steve's are his alone.

Civil War II Tony was right from start to finish period.

[Tony Stark]

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[Comic Book Addict]

I'm glad you liked it. Now you see where Tony's was coming from. Tony did some bad things during Civil War, but he was on the right side. Not agreeing with some of the things he did though. Tony tried talking with Steve, but he wanted none of it. Imagine if Tony didn't take the lead. The heroes would have been fighting the government. Soldiers, cops, etc. Now you can see the whole picture and again glad you enjoyed it. When you read about Tony in Planet Hulk and The Initiative come back and let us know how you feel about it.

I loved it. It hooked me from the get-go. Tony was on the right side and, like you, I don't agree with everything he did. But Tony did the best he could and it could have been so much worse.

I read Planet Hulk. It's another complicated issue. On a personal level, I disagree with his actions/the actions of the others on so many levels. They betrayed Banner, screwing him over literally seconds after he saved the world from Godseye. Was that truly their only remaining option? At one point, Amadeus questions why they didn't just leave him alone entirely. That *might* have worked. IMO Banner deserved the benefit of the doubt; they should have just let him be by himself. But then you think, maybe he could have Hulked out for some reason or another, so he was a danger to others anyway. As seen in the Illuminati one shot, Reed, Tony, Xavier, and even Doctor Strange had all tried their very best to cure Banner and they couldn't.

So while I personally really don't like Tony and Co.'s actions by betraying Banner like that, I can understand them and the reasoning behind it.

I'll be back with my input on his Initiative actions.

With Civil War I think both men within with noble intentions for what they believed in but neither came out like that both Tony and Steve crossed lines and put their fellow heroes lives at risk because they wanted to win IMO. Now I will say Tony's sins are shared with Reed and Hank and not solely his fault while Steve's are his alone.

Civil War II Tony was right from start to finish period.

Agreed. But the road to hell is paved with good intentions. Neither were able to really execute those good intentions. As we saw in one of their conversations, there was definitely a personal side to this, at least for Tony. He always felt inferior to Steve and he wanted to prove that he was better. That is an interesting way to look at it. Tony basically had a triumvirate with Reed and Hank. (Especially Reed.) Those two shared the blame for most of their side's actions. I would argue that Cap was pretty much alone in that regard.

[Marvell2100]

Alright, so I read through all of Civil War since this post, including the tie ins. Here's where I stand.

Going in, I expected to pretty much hate Tony coming out of CW. I heard he did some awful stuff so I was a little biased. Through the first few issues, this was still the case. But, as the war went on and I got a better look at Tony's mindset and reasoning, I really started to understand him and sympathize with him.

Tony did the best he could. Several times during the war, it was pointed out that "going back to the good old days" was not on the table. Change was inevitable and Tony felt that he needed too to step up and compromise with the government. If not, they likely would have banned all superheroes entirely. Without Tony's actions, the superheroes would have been much worse off.

Then, you look at what Tony actually did. Several times, he tried to reason with Cap, meeting with him at Avengers Mansion and Yankee Stadium, two of my favorite scenes in the war. Steve's forces broke up the second attempt at negotiation. At another point, Tony offered Steve his hand and Steve put the electron scrambler in it. Tony was, in a lot of ways, consistently the more reasonable of the two throughout the war. Tony winds up helping Aunt May after she is shot, despite feeling so betrayed by Peter's actions.

I also am touched by Tony's emotions. The way I read it, nothing he did was for himself. In fact, he hated every second of it. He knew that most, if not all, of his friends would hate him for his actions. To many people, he would not be a true "hero" anymore. Tony lost two of his very best friends, Happy and Steve, and he pushed on because he knew he was right.

I wound up disliking Cap a lot more than I felt anything negative towards Tony. Cap was being naive and, I would argue, blindly stubborn. Tony even pointed out that Steve wasn't seeing the world for the complicated place that it is. Cap fought on a lot longer than he should have and he refused to truly consider any alternatives because they didn't mesh with his principles. I would say that a lot of the things that go wrong/the bad things that happen in CW can be blamed on Cap.

Tony is not guilt free. But he's not a monster or a villain for what he did and I definitely don't hate him or even dislike him for what he did. I'm reading the aftermath now (I read Planet Hulk and now I'm onto The Initiative.)

Really glad you read the whole story and took the time to digest. Too many readers have knee-jerk reactions to Tony and are ready to label him a villain. If you compare how Tony was written in his own series to how he was portrayed outside of his own series, you'll see a stark contrast.

Event writing today means that characters will be written ooc in order to fit the story. Tony is one of the biggest victims of this.

[Comic Book Addict]

Really glad you read the whole story and took the time to digest. Too many readers have knee-jerk reactions to Tony and are ready to label him a villain. If you compare how Tony was written in his own series to how he was portrayed outside of his own series, you'll see a stark contrast.

Event writing today means that characters will be written ooc in order to fit the story. Tony is one of the biggest victims of this.

I enjoyed this pun, haha.

I really did chew on it for a bit. I didn't want to hop into this thread and give my two cents right after I finished it. I thought it over. Tony's solo series, and various other books, showed exactly that: he didn't suddenly become a villain or a monster or anything.

I really wish that wasn't the case in terms of forcing characters to fit the story. You can see this with Reed Richards in Civil War, too. Events would be so much better if characters kept true to their nature as much as possible. Sure, people will change in response to things. But molding the character to fit the story...? I hope writers move away from that.

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Jason Aaron and Sara Pichelli’s Avengers for Free Comic Book Day 2018



https://www.bleedingcool.com/2018/02...book-day-2018/

[Frontier]

I think that's the wrong helmet .

[Tony Stark]

Jason Aaron and Sara Pichelli’s Avengers for Free Comic Book Day 2018



https://www.bleedingcool.com/2018/02...book-day-2018/

Thanks for sharing this. Gotta make sure to get a copy.

[Tony Stark]

I enjoyed this pun, haha.

I really did chew on it for a bit. I didn't want to hop into this thread and give my two cents right after I finished it. I thought it over. Tony's solo series, and various other books, showed exactly that: he didn't suddenly become a villain or a monster or anything.

I really wish that wasn't the case in terms of forcing characters to fit the story. You can see this with Reed Richards in Civil War, too. Events would be so much better if characters kept true to their nature as much as possible. Sure, people will change in response to things. But molding the character to fit the story...? I hope writers move away from that.

You went and got all the information and made your judgement. Some of the bad things I could never see Tony doing, but their were some I can very much see him doing.

[Tony Stark]

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[Tony Stark]

Agreed. But the road to hell is paved with good intentions. Neither were able to really execute those good intentions. As we saw in one of their conversations, there was definitely a personal side to this, at least for Tony. He always felt inferior to Steve and he wanted to prove that he was better. That is an interesting way to look at it. Tony basically had a triumvirate with Reed and Hank. (Especially Reed.) Those two shared the blame for most of their side's actions. I would argue that Cap was pretty much alone in that regard.

All the bad stuff Reed did during the Civil War got passed over like he did nothing. The fans and the characters gave him a pass. All the blame went on Tony. I think Skrull Pym had a lot to do with it as well. Tony toke the brunt for Civil War, WWH, the aftermath of the events all pinned on Tony's shoulders and he didn't shy away from it.

[DJ1107]

That & Front Line all but making him an Arms Dealer that was going to start a Civil War with Atlantis for some reason.......but quite frankly everyone in Front Line was awful & best left forgotten.

[Tony Stark]

That & Front Line all but making him an Arms Dealer that was going to start a Civil War with Atlantis for some reason.......but quite frankly everyone in Front Line was awful & best left forgotten.

True that.

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