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    Default Ultimate Marvel General and Reading Order

    First off, Ultimate fans - welcome to our new home!

    As you surely noticed, we no longer have an Ultimate Subforum; but that's okay. The Marvel Comics forum will still have discussions for the new issues that come out, and will hopefully help even more people join the conversation.

    But I thought it would be good to have a thread like this to keep some of our resources in one place. I'll keep notes of upcoming release dates, solicitations, and - of course - the reading order. Hopefully I'll be better about updating it than I've been in the past. Let me know if there's anything else I should add to these first posts.

    Additionally, this is a place for general Ultimate Universe discussion. If you have something to say about the UU - say it here! Obviously, you can start other threads about the UU, but some things don't deserve their own thread, and putting them here will help them not get buried.

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    ULTIMATE MARVEL READING ORDER

    Reading the Ultimate Universe from the beginning!]

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    Reading Order

    Here is a pretty good (though still not perfect) reading order for anyone interested in reading through the Ultimate Universe "in order." It is not a timeline. The books are in chronological order as much as possible, but there are instances where it makes more sense not to read them that way (the Ultimate Thor miniseries is the best example of this). It is also not necessarily in publication order. It's just in an order that seems to work. Post if you have any questions about or corrections to the list.

    Ultimate Spider-Man #1-7 - Power & Responsibility
    Ultimate Spider-Man #8-13 - Learning Curve
    Ultimate Marvel Team-Up #1-3
    Ultimate Marvel Team-Up #4-8
    Ultimate X-Men #1-6, #1/2 - The Tomorrow People
    Ultimate Spider-Man #14-21 - Double Trouble
    Ultimate Daredevil & Elektra
    Ultimate Elektra - Devil's Due
    Ultimate Marvel Team-Up #9-16
    Ultimate X-Men #7-12 - Return to Weapon X
    Ultimate X-Men #13-14 - You Always Remember Your First Love
    Ultimate X-Men #15 - A Different World Is Possible
    Ultimate X-Men #16-20 - World Tour
    The Ultimates #1-6 - Super Human
    Ultimate Spider-Man #22-27 - Legacy
    Ultimate Spider-man Super Special
    Ultimate Spider-man #28-32 - Public Scrutiny
    The Ultimates #7-13 - Homeland Security
    Ultimate Spider-Man #33-39 - Venom
    Ultimate X-Men #21-25 - Hellfire and Brimstone
    Ultimate War
    Ultimate X-Men #27-33 - Return of the King
    Ultimate Spider-Man #40-45 - Irresponsible
    Ultimate Spider-Man #
    Ultimate X-Men #34-39 - Blockbuster
    Ultimate Spider-Man #47-53 - Cats and Kings
    Ultimate Adventures
    Ultimate Spider-Man #46 (Prelude to Six)
    Ultimate Six
    Ultimate Fantastic Four #1-6 - The Fantastic
    Ultimate Spider-Man #54-59 - Hollywood
    Ultimate X-Men #40-45 - New Mutants
    Ultimate Fantastic Four #7-12 - Doom
    Ultimate X-Men #46-49 - The Tempest
    Ultimate Spider-Man #60-65 - Carnage
    Ultimate Fantastic Four #13-18 - N-Zone
    Ultimate Fantastic Four #19-20 - Think Tank
    Ultimate Spider-Man #66-71 - Superstars
    Ultimate X-Men #50-53 - Cry Wolf
    Ultimate Fantastic Four #21-23 - Crossover
    Ultimate Fantastic Four #24-26 - Tomb of Namor
    Ultimate Spider-Man #72-78 - Hobgoblin
    Ultimate Fantastic Four Annual #1
    Ultimate Fantastic Four #27-29 - President Thor
    Ultimate Fantastic Four #30-32 - Frightful
    Ultimate Spider-Man #79-85 - Warriors
    Ultimate X-Men #54-57 - The Most Dangerous Game
    Ultimate X-Men #58 - A Hard Lesson
    Ultimate X-Men #59-60 - Shock and Awe
    Ultimate Gah Lak Tus Trilogy
    -Ultimate Nightmare
    -Ultimate Secret
    -Ultimate Vision #0
    -Ultimate Extinction
    Ultimate Vision
    The Ultimates 2 #1-6 - Gods and Monsters
    The Ultimates Annual #1
    Ultimate X-Men Annual #1
    Ultimate X-Men #61-65 - Magnetic North
    Ultimate X4
    Ultimate Spider-Man Annual #1
    Ultimate Spider-Man #86-90 - Silver Sable
    Ultimate Spider-Man #91-94 - Deadpool
    Ultimate X-Men #66-68 - Date Night
    Ultimate X-Men #69-71 - Phoenix?
    Ultimate Wolverine vs. Hulk
    The Ultimates 2 #7-13 - Grand Theft America
    The Ultimates 2 Annual
    Ultimate X-Men #72-74 - Magical
    Ultimate X-Men Annual #2
    Ultimate Spider-Man #95-96 - Morbius
    Ultimate Fantastic Four #33-38 - God War
    Ultimate Spider-Man #97-105 - Clone Saga
    Ultimate X-Men #75-78 - Cable
    Ultimate X-Men #79-80 - Aftermath
    Ultimate X-Men #81 - Cliffhanger
    Ultimate X-Men #82-83 - The Underneath
    Ultimate X-Men #84-85 - Sentinels
    Ultimate Fantastic Four #39-41 - Devils
    Ultimate Fantastic Four #42-46 - Silver Surfer
    Ultimate Fantastic Four #47-49 - Ghosts
    Ultimate Power
    Ultimates Saga
    Ultimate Human
    Ultimate Captain America Annual
    Ultimate Hulk Annual
    The Ultimates 3 - Who Killed the Scarlet Witch?
    Ultimate Fantastic Four #50-53 - Four Cubed
    Ultimate Spider-Man Annual #2
    Ultimate Spider-Man #106-110 - Ultimate Knights
    Ultimate Spider-Man #111 - The Talk
    Ultimate Spider-Man #112-117 - Death of a Goblin
    Ultimate X-Men #89 - Shadow King
    Ultimate X-Men #90-93 - Apocalypse
    Ultimate Spider-Man #118-120 - And His Amazing Friends
    Ultimate Spider-man Annual #3
    Ultimate Spider-Man #121 - Omega Red
    Ultimate Spider-Man #122 - The Worst Day in Peter Parker's Life
    Ultimate Spider-Man #123-128 - War of the Symbiotes
    Ultimate Fantastic Four Annual #2
    Ultimate Fantastic Four #54-57 - Salem's Seven
    Ultimate X-Men #94-97 - Absolute Power
    Ultimate X-Men + Fantastic Four Annual #1
    Ultimate Fantastic Four + X-Men Annual #1
    Ultimate Origins

    Ultimatum
    While the official hardcover and trades did not put the issues in an intertwined order, it's my opinion that the story GREATLY benefits from it. After Ultimatum #1, the tie-ins don't crossover much, but I think it helps to alternate between titles.

    -Ultimate Spider-man #129
    -Ultimatum #1
    -Ultimate Spider-man #130
    -Ultimate Fantastic Four #58
    -Ultimate X-Men #98
    -Ultimatum #2
    -Ultimate Spider-man #131
    -Ultimate Fantastic Four #59
    -Ultimate X-Men #99
    -Ultimatum #3
    -Ultimate Spider-man #132
    -Ultimate Fantastic Four #60
    -Ultimate X-Men #100
    -Ultimatum #4
    -Ultimate Spider-man #133
    -Ultimatum #5
    -Ultimate Fantastic Four Requiem
    -Ultimate X-Men Requiem
    -Ultimate Spider-man Requiem

    For a more streamlined reading order based on the official Marvel collections, this would work.

    Ultimatum #1-5
    Ultimate Spider-man #129-133
    Ultimate X-Men #98-100
    Ultimate Fantastic Four #58-60
    Ultimate Spider-man Requiem
    Ultimate Fantastic Four Requiem
    Ultimate X-Men Requiem

    Continued below...

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    POST-ULTIMATUM!

    Ultimate Armor Wars
    Ultimate X
    Ultimate Spider-man #1-6 - The World According to Peter Parker
    Ultimate Avengers - The Next Generation
    Ultimate Spider-man #7-8 - Crossroad
    Ultimate Avengers 2 - Crime & Punishment
    Ultimate Spider-man #9-14 - Chameleons
    Ultimate Doomsday
    -Ultimate Enemy
    -Ultimate Mystery
    -Ultimate Doom
    Ultimate Captain America
    New Ultimates
    Ultimate Thor
    Ultimate Spider-man #15, #150-155 - Death of Spider-man Prelude
    Ultimate Avengers 3 - Blade vs. the Avengers

    Death of Spider-man
    Death of Spider-man is not a traditional comic book crossover, in that the two stories are related only for a few panels in USM #157 and AvNU #3-4. Thus, there's no need to intertwine the issues; it would only hurt the story pacing. Since AvNU would spoil two major plot points from USM, but USM would only spoil minor things from AvNU, this is the best order.
    -Ultimate Spider-man #156-160
    -Ultimate Avengers vs New Ultimates
    Ultimate Fallout

    If you wanted to cross them absolutely, this order would work.
    Ultimate Avengers vs New Ultimates #1-2
    Ultimate Spider-man #156-157
    Ultimate Avengers vs New Ultimates #3-4
    Ultimate Spider-man #158-160
    Ultimate Avengers vs New Ultimates #5-6
    Ultimate Fallout


    POST DEATH OF SPIDER-MAN
    Ultimate Spider-man #1-5 - Who is Miles Morales?
    Ultimates #1-4 - The Republic is Burning
    Ultimate Hawkeye
    Ultimate X-Men #1-6
    Ultimates #5-6 - The World
    Ultimate Spider-man #6-12
    Ultimates #7-12 - Two Cities, Two Worlds
    Ultimate X-Men #7-12
    Spider-Men

    DIVIDED WE FALL, UNTIED WE STAND
    -Ultimate X-Men #13-14 (#13 is the prelude)
    -Ultimates #13-14
    -Ultimate Spider-Man #13-14
    -Ultimate X-Men #15
    -Ultimates #15
    -Ultimate Spider-Man #15-16
    -Ultimates #16
    -Ultimate X-Men #16-17
    -Ultimate Spider-Man #17
    -Ultimates #17-18
    -Ultimate X-Men #18
    -Ultimate X-Men #18.1
    -Ultimate Spider-Man #18
    -Ultimates #18.1


    Ultimate Spider-Man #16.1, 19-22: Venom War
    Ultimates #19-24: Reconstruction
    Ultimate X-Men #19-22: Reservation X
    Ultimate Comics Wolverine #1-4: Legacies
    Ultimate X-Men #23-28: Natural Resources
    Ultimate Comics Iron Man #1-4


    ONE YEAR LATER
    Ultimate Spider-Man #23-28: Spider-Man No More
    Ultimates #25-30: Ultimates Disassembled
    Ultimate X-Men #29-32: World War X

    Age of Ultron
    Age of Ultron #10 features an epilogue that directly leads into Hunger and Cataclysm. However, the entire 10-issue story is not necessary to read. For completionists, you can read it here.

    CATACLYSM
    Like Ultimatum, Cataclysm's tie-ins take place at relatively the same time. Aside from Cataclysm: USM, there is very little crossover, if any, between the tie-ins and the main series.

    Hunger #1-4
    Cataclysm #0.1
    Cataclysm: Ultimates #1-3
    Cataclysm: Ultimate X-Men #1-3
    Cataclysm: Ultimate Spider-man #1
    Cataclysm: The Ultimates' Last Stand #1
    Cataclysm: Ultimate Spider-man #2-3
    Cataclysm: The Ultimates' Last Stand #2-5
    Survive

    For an order that doesn't require switching between books, try this.
    Hunger
    Cataclysm: The Ultimates' Last Stand
    Cataclysm: Ultimate Spider-man
    Cataclysm: Ultimate X-Men
    Cataclysm: Ultimates
    Survive


    ALL-NEW ULTIMATE MARVEL
    Ultimate Spider-man #200
    Ultimate FF #1-6
    All-New Ultimates #1-12
    Miles Morales: The Ultimate Spider-man #1-9
    ***All-New X-Men #31-36: The Ultimate Adventure (see below)
    ***Spider-verse (see below)
    Miles Morales: The Ultimate Spider-man #10-12


    The Crossovers
    ***All-New X-Men: The Ultimate Adventure
    All-New X-Men #31-36

    ***Spider-Verse
    Spider-Verse is a mega crossover, featuring Spider-men from all over the Marvel Multiverse. Listed below are the issues that feature Ultimate Characters; for the FULL reading order,click here.
    Amazing Spider-man #9-14
    Scarlet Spiders #1-3
    Spider-Verse Team-Up #2-3

    SECRET WARS
    Ultimate End takes place concurrently to the main Secret Wars title, but the reading order between the two is not strict.
    ***Avengers #41
    ***Avengers #44
    Secret Wars #0
    Secret Wars #1-8
    Ultimate: The End #1-5

    Note on Secret Wars: It is the culmination of Jonathan Hickman's Avengers run, as well as almost everything he has written for Marvel. The main story comes out of Avengers and New Avengers, including the Infinity event. As such, it is not 100% new reader friendly, and the reading order is relatively complex. Here is a pretty comprehensive guide to prepping for Secret Wars I found.


    **Ultimate Iron Man I and II are no longer canon. They are now only a TV show within the Universe. As such, you can read them at any point in time.

    ***These issues are not strictly "Ultimate" Comics, but feature characters from the Ultimate Universe.
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    Hey

    just want to ask if UFF 1 is any good?

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    Here's ultimate! Im so scared, everything is gone

    Quote Originally Posted by Winter_fury View Post
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    just want to ask if UFF 1 is any good?
    the new Ultimate Future Foundation #1? If so, I personally didn't think so. I dig Fialkov's writing, always have, but I found the art and color palette absolutely off-putting. That, and it seems the UU is playing hard and fast with the dead means dead business.

    Hey, its a new start. Technically its the first time I've brought this up hahaha

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    alright thanks i tried all new ultimates but its not in my lane.

    just sucks to go so long without a ultimate book here is hoping MM:USM is gonna be good.

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    Is there any info yet on the next round of Ultimate trades (post-Cataclysm)?

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    I highly recommend Ultimate Future Foundation. Quirky and good dialogue, good setup and leaves you with a hook to learn more about the organization and their mission.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winter_fury View Post
    alright thanks i tried all new ultimates but its not in my lane.

    just sucks to go so long without a ultimate book here is hoping MM:USM is gonna be good.
    No problem! But, man, what a bummer. I was pretty luke-warm on all new ultimates, too. I've read every ultimate book the past 14 years so the fact that 2/3 of the new #1's are less than solid is disappointing. That, and I don't even consider them solid entry points to the universe. Too much previous knowledge hinted at and required. Im gonna read another issue or 2 to see if either picks up, AND the artist is changing on UFF in a couple months so that'll help. But yeah, right now… a big "meh."

    All that considered, I have no doubt in my mind MM:USM will keep with previous quality. Bendis just knows how to keep this universe alive. At this point i feel like he should just write All-New Xmen and all 3 ultimate books haha

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    Usm is the only bendis book i really like right now atleast was till the next vol drops.

    I finished rereading hickmans Thor, Hawkeye and Ultimates monday and damn if that wasn't good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpio View Post
    I highly recommend Ultimate Future Foundation. Quirky and good dialogue, good setup and leaves you with a hook to learn more about the organization and their mission.
    Thanks maybe i check it out if i can fit it somewhere in the budget this month.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winter_fury View Post
    Usm is the only bendis book i really like right now atleast was till the next vol drops.

    I finished rereading hickmans Thor, Hawkeye and Ultimates monday and damn if that wasn't good.
    Ah gotcha, no problem. I personally find all new xmen to be the easiest xmen book to read, and the most enjoyable. Too many x books, gosh haha

    And Yes! hickman did great things for the UU, then they decided to move him off ultimates. He made Reed into what i consider the most interesting, original antagonist I've read in a very, very long time. I'll always be miffed that the editors moved him off the book, and spencer off of xmen. They both were moving in an insanely new direction, only for both books to leave too many threads and too many questions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agemoi View Post
    Ah gotcha, no problem. I personally find all new xmen to be the easiest xmen book to read, and the most enjoyable. Too many x books, gosh haha

    And Yes! hickman did great things for the UU, then they decided to move him off ultimates. He made Reed into what i consider the most interesting, original antagonist I've read in a very, very long time. I'll always be miffed that the editors moved him off the book, and spencer off of xmen. They both were moving in an insanely new direction, only for both books to leave too many threads and too many questions.
    I read all new x-men till battle of the atom and just find it avarage just don't care for the premise or the characters.

    Yeah would have loved to see what spencer would have done with the whole apocalypse thing.

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    Nice preview. Really looking forward to checking out a series about Miles.

    Can anyone tell me how long Bendis has been on Ultimate Spider-Man? I hear he's been on it since the start of the Ultimate Universe, so I wasn't sure if it was true.

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