Falcon And Winter Soldier

[Frontier]

https://www.cbr.com/falcon-winter-so...o-mask-thanos/

Zemo's mask inspired by Thanos?

...I guess that would explain why it's purple.

[PD98]

There's no merit in it at all.
Steve 100% wouldn't just be standing back and letting these things happen without doing something, especially not with the foreknowledge he has.
He may have went back to be with Peggy that doesn't mean he stopped fighting, it just meant at the end of the day he had someone at home to go back to.
Especially when the events of Agent Carter are canon to the MCU he certainly wouldn't be on the sidelines letting Peggy go through it alone

No, the *******!Steve has every merit since the writers of the movie say it was a stable time loop so to them he already did nothing and was always meant to do nothing, the directors say the only thing he cared about when going to the past was getting Peggy so saving Bucky and stopping HYDRA wasn't a priority to him, in the movie Steve says getting the girl was him getting a life (in other words rest i.e retire) and since they only cared to show him sticking his tongue down her throat with no implication that he bothered to save Bucky (and since he never mentioned Sam or Bucky except as a distraction we can infer that he stopped caring about them) we have no reason to actually believe that he would put in any effort to save him or do anything to prevent the tragedies that happened in the timeline he threw away for a chick he barely knew. And you really sure that he cares about other timelines he did make HYDRA in 2012 believe that he is part of them which could easily go downhill for that version of him and expressed no concern about 2012 Loki escaping.
Why do you think people are rejecting the end for him? It's because we don't agree with the how Marvel Studios went "Yes Steve leaving everyone that he has met over the last decade for a chick that he knew for barely knew, who lived a life without him, and has been dead longer than he actually knew her, choosing to live in the 40s is a great ending.", and we refuse to bend over backwards saying it was a great ending for a man too pathetic to move on from a chick he barely knew and idealizes the 40s.

He knew the exact time and place that Bucky would be sent to assassinate Howard Stark, for instance. In that world, did he wait on that road (with adequate support...) and prevent Howard & Maria Stark's murders? How would he prevent Hydra from infiltrating SHIELD, knowing how it started at the very beginning with Arnim Zola (and, presumably, others)? He seemed like the sort to actually read those files that Fury was handing out, so he might have known enough to be on-scene to recruit Thor in New Mexico, or Banner post-Hulk-ification (or even prevent Banner from ever becoming the Hulk?).
And then there are characters he really doesn't know a lot about. Ant-Man and Dr. Strange and Spider-Man and Black Panther. I could definitely see a SHIELD with Steve and Peggy steering things being a better fit for Hank Pym to remain a long-term member of the science team, along with Howard, so that part might or might not change (since it seemed like it was the secret Hydra guy behind much of the animosity that led to Pym parting ways with SHIELD, and Howard surviving and being Pym's kinda/sorta ally, might have led to him remaining longer).

So your idea is that Steve would let Bucky be tortured for 50 years instead of making an effort to save him sooner since that is just 20 years of less trauma so it's all good, guess he spent those 50 years curing his blue balls and only bothered to save "his Bucky" when it was convenient for him. This is the problem most people who are critical with the end for Steve is that no matter what he does he ends up looking like a dick, either to the proper timeline versions or to the alternate timeline versions. So you don't think Steve would do anything save or prevent Janet from being trapped, guess the only person he cares about is his girl.

[Marvell2100]

...I guess that would explain why it's purple.

I'm glad he isn't sporting the multiple chins look.

[Jewel Runner]

No, the *******!Steve has every merit since the writers of the movie say it was a stable time loop so to them he already did nothing and was always meant to do nothing, the directors say the only thing he cared about when going to the past was getting Peggy so saving Bucky and stopping HYDRA wasn't a priority to him, in the movie Steve says getting the girl was him getting a life (in other words rest i.e retire) and since they only cared to show him sticking his tongue down her throat with no implication that he bothered to save Bucky (and since he never mentioned Sam or Bucky except as a distraction we can infer that he stopped caring about them) we have no reason to actually believe that he would put in any effort to save him or do anything to prevent the tragedies that happened in the timeline he threw away for a chick he barely knew. And you really sure that he cares about other timelines he did make HYDRA in 2012 believe that he is part of them which could easily go downhill for that version of him and expressed no concern about 2012 Loki escaping.
Why do you think people are rejecting the end for him? It's because we don't agree with the how Marvel Studios went "Yes Steve leaving everyone that he has met over the last decade for a chick that he knew for barely knew, who lived a life without him, and has been dead longer than he actually knew her, choosing to live in the 40s is a great ending.", and we refuse to bend over backwards saying it was a great ending for a man too pathetic to move on from a chick he barely knew and idealizes the 40s.

So your idea is that Steve would let Bucky be tortured for 50 years instead of making an effort to save him sooner since that is just 20 years of less trauma so it's all good, guess he spent those 50 years curing his blue balls and only bothered to save "his Bucky" when it was convenient for him. This is the problem most people who are critical with the end for Steve is that no matter what he does he ends up looking like a dick, either to the proper timeline versions or to the alternate timeline versions. So you don't think Steve would do anything save or prevent Janet from being trapped, guess the only person he cares about is his girl.

It amazing how much of this you're completely making up to try and justify making Steve look like bad

[PD98]

I mean, MCU Peggy was an amazing woman...

So amazing she was duped by HYDRA from start to finish, and when you consider the implication that near the end Howard Stark started to get suspicious and Daniel Sousa smelled the rats within a few years that really doesn't give her a good look since of the three people we see who were with SHIELD from the start she is the only one we know for sure who never realized or suspected there was corruption let alone HYDRA within SHIELD. She doesn't even have the excuse that the later generations of SHIELD agents have of being brought in with the corruption already in place so they see it as normal. She is also so great she wasn't worth being called by name or given lines, being Steve's girl is enough for her to show how important/amazing she is to the casual fans or for the people whose first exposure to the MCU is Endgame.

It was never only about Peggy. Steve never really adapted to life in the 21st century, he wanted to live the life that was stolen from him in the times he truly belonged to.

So you agree that Steve couldn't handle a world without segregation, interracial marriages being illegal in most states, homosexuality being illegal across the country, even more inequality than we have now, less accountability from government and law enforcement, pretty much nonexistent mental health, and even more rampant racism and xenophobia since that's the world he cried himself to sleep missing and where he belonged. If he wanted a world without all the issues that the 40s had he should have just gotten a sex doll that looked like his best girl, get some fucking therapy to move on with his life, or just shoot himself in the head if really couldn't live without his girl. You really just prove how pathetic Endgame!Steve is when you remember that Bucky was also spent most of the 70 years on ice and suffered more than he did (both before and after he was freed from HYDRA) and yet he doesn't live in the delusion that the 40s were when America was great or that getting the girl will fix all his problems.

[Anthony W]

Some what disappointment was hoping she’d be a hero

You and me both. Don't buy her as a threat. Also......this looks and feels like a Fast And Furious movie with no cars.

[Jewel Runner]

So amazing she was duped by HYDRA from start to finish, and when you consider the implication that near the end Howard Stark started to get suspicious and Daniel Sousa smelled the rats within a few years that really doesn't give her a good look since of the three people we see who were with SHIELD from the start she is the only one we know for sure who never realized or suspected there was corruption let alone HYDRA within SHIELD. She doesn't even have the excuse that the later generations of SHIELD agents have of being brought in with the corruption already in place so they see it as normal. She is also so great she wasn't worth being called by name or given lines, being Steve's girl is enough for her to show how important/amazing she is to the casual fans or for the people whose first exposure to the MCU is Endgame.

So you agree that Steve couldn't handle a world without segregation, interracial marriages being illegal in most states, homosexuality being illegal across the country, even more inequality than we have now, less accountability from government and law enforcement, pretty much nonexistent mental health, and even more rampant racism and xenophobia since that's the world he cried himself to sleep missing and where he belonged. If he wanted a world without all the issues that the 40s had he should have just gotten a sex doll that looked like his best girl, get some fucking therapy to move on with his life, or just shoot himself in the head if really couldn't live without his girl. You really just prove how pathetic Endgame!Steve is when you remember that Bucky was also spent most of the 70 years on ice and suffered more than he did (both before and after he was freed from HYDRA) and yet he doesn't live in the delusion that the 40s were when America was great or that getting the girl will fix all his problems.

I really like how how you don't make any arguments here, all you've done is just insult the characters, exaggerate their flaws, and completely ignore any all context of their actions.

[PD98]

It amazing how much of this you're completely making up to try and justify making Steve look like bad

If you looked up information about the movie you would learn that the writers and directors can't decide if Steve created a stable time loop or if he created an alternate timeline, just watching the movie shows that Steve didn't think about Sam or Bucky at all since at the support group for people who lost loved ones because of the Snap he cried over a girl he never dated that died of old age and years before the Snap instead of the two people he lost to it and the only time he mentioned either one of them was to distract a past self, his girl doesn't exist in Endgame as her own character since they never bothered to call her by name in Endgame or give her lines to make more than just Steve's girl.
All I'm doing is pointing how because the only thing we know is that he ranaway to the past to bone his girl and (based on the age at the end) only returned after she croaked we have no real proof that he did anything to help others in his personal timeline and since he said he was getting that life that Tony told him to get and based on how Tony's "getting a life" was basically retirement and only doing something when it benefits him personally why should we believe that ever made an effort to save people and prevent tragedies that happened in the prime timeline after all the one he created only exists for him to get the girl nothing else mattered to him. And since making an effort to change the timeline for the better that doesn't involve his girl that would mean having to work and he just wants to retire and enjoy his girl's ass, after all if he saved that version of Bucky it would having to put in the effort to find him, form a plan to save him, help him get through the massive trauma personally since era he has just gotten around to helping people with mental health problems instead of just locking them up in asylums or telling them to just act normal, and he doesn't want to work anymore he just wants to enjoy his girl until Alzheimer's hits her. Wonder how her condition could worsen with old and young Steve visiting her in the home unless Steve makes sure the one frozen in ice is never rescued so he doesn't have to share her.
It's not that hard to make Steve look bad when you believe he could do the worse and when the writers involve support the worse view it makes it easier to see the worse in him.

[OblivionX33]

You and me both. Don't buy her as a threat. Also......this looks and feels like a Fast And Furious movie with no cars.

Or you just wait to watch the show...

[Jewel Runner]

If you looked up information about the movie you would learn that the writers and directors can't decide if Steve created a stable time loop or if he created an alternate timeline, just watching the movie shows that Steve didn't think about Sam or Bucky at all since at the support group for people who lost loved ones because of the Snap he cried over a girl he never dated that died of old age and years before the Snap instead of the two people he lost to it and the only time he mentioned either one of them was to distract a past self, his girl doesn't exist in Endgame as her own character since they never bothered to call her by name in Endgame or give her lines to make more than just Steve's girl.
All I'm doing is pointing how because the only thing we know is that he ranaway to the past to bone his girl and (based on the age at the end) only returned after she croaked we have no real proof that he did anything to help others in his personal timeline and since he said he was getting that life that Tony told him to get and based on how Tony's "getting a life" was basically retirement and only doing something when it benefits him personally why should we believe that ever made an effort to save people and prevent tragedies that happened in the prime timeline after all the one he created only exists for him to get the girl nothing else mattered to him. And since making an effort to change the timeline for the better that doesn't involve his girl that would mean having to work and he just wants to retire and enjoy his girl's ass, after all if he saved that version of Bucky it would having to put in the effort to find him, form a plan to save him, help him get through the massive trauma personally since era he has just gotten around to helping people with mental health problems instead of just locking them up in asylums or telling them to just act normal, and he doesn't want to work anymore he just wants to enjoy his girl until Alzheimer's hits her. Wonder how her condition could worsen with old and young Steve visiting her in the home unless Steve makes sure the one frozen in ice is never rescued so he doesn't have to share her.
It's not that hard to make Steve look bad when you believe he could do the worse and when the writers involve support the worse view it makes it easier to see the worse in him.

You're just proving my exact point, you're not making any arguments you're just insulting Steve, exaggerating things to make them look worse than they actually are, removing any and all context from his actions and making things up.
That's all you've done here.

[SlimJ87D]

If you looked up information about the movie you would learn that the writers and directors can't decide if Steve created a stable time loop or if he created an alternate timeline

Why not just look at the rules they made for time travel in the movie itself: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMB6...nel=SkyAvenger

Rhodey: Let me say, let me ask you something if we can do this you know, go back in time, why don't we just find baby Thanos you know and *makes choking gesture*

Bruce: First of all, that's horrible and secondly time doesn't work that way. Changing the past doesn't change the future... Think about it, if you travel to the past, that past becomes your future. And your former present becomes the past which can't now be changed by your new future.

Nebula: Exactly

The whole point of these rules is that you cannot go back in time and cause a paradox. You only jump to another timeline of an alternate reality which it is impossible to cause a paradox because you were always destined to arrive and meddle in.

So going by these rules and for the sake of consistency, Steve did not and could not have returned back to his own past.

[John Venus]

My two Sam related regrets in Endgame:

-Falcon not immediately landing next to Cap after flying through the portal. I know that there were reasons related to choreography why they didn't do it but it felt OOC for Sam to not bear hug Cap.

-Cap saying Tony inspired him to 'get some of that life'. I wish it had been credited to Falcon instead since it was Sam in Winter Soldier who was counselling veterans and asking Cap about what he wanted to do with his life. Natasha was the one listing all the possible girls Cap could date. Tony's legacy was secured at that point. Scene should have been even more about Cap and Sam.

[SlimJ87D]

My two Sam related regrets in Endgame:

-Falcon not immediately landing next to Cap after flying through the portal. I know that there were reasons related to choreography why they didn't do it but it felt OOC for Sam to not bear hug Cap.

-Cap saying Tony inspired him to 'get some of that life'. I wish it had been credited to Falcon instead since it was Sam in Winter Soldier who was counselling veterans and asking Cap about what he wanted to do with his life. Natasha was the one listing all the possible girls Cap could date. Tony's legacy was secured at that point. Scene should have been even more about Cap and Sam.

It had to be Tony because Cap had told Tony before he would never make a noble sacrifice and Tony ended up doing it. So Cap took Tony's sacrifice to heart and decided to try and have a life like Tony did. I believe I read this in a interview somewhere.

[Ragu]

-Cap saying Tony inspired him to 'get some of that life'. I wish it had been credited to Falcon instead since it was Sam in Winter Soldier who was counselling veterans and asking Cap about what he wanted to do with his life. Natasha was the one listing all the possible girls Cap could date. Tony's legacy was secured at that point. Scene should have been even more about Cap and Sam.

Who needs the sun when you can have things revolve around Tony Stark?

[Jewel Runner]

Who needs the sun when you can have things revolve around Tony Stark?

So Tony shouldn't have an effect on the lives of the people he knows and interacts with