I'd say that it lies at the feet of the writer. A good example is Bishop: He was written so badly after Messiah Complex that he was pretty much unusable. That's not his fault but the fault of the writer and editor who thought it would be a good idea to turn him into a homicidal mass murderer.
I was talking more about design than bad stories,they are good designs and bad designs, Batman is good design and concept, We have seen millions of version of Batman a lot of them work because it is good concept. Stiltman or Kiteman not so good concepts to make these character work you need to specific set up and large scale overhaul of character. They are most definitely bad characters but because of fiction you can completely renovate a character.
It is like saying they are no bad houses in real life. If you can break down to the foundation and rebuild any house they are no "bad houses". The reality is the house that you have break down and completely rebuild a house it is a bad house. A good house is a house where you just need to do minor painting and adjustments. Saying they are no bad characters is pretending like effort to make something good doesn't factor in the discussion. If you have spend thousands of dollars and effort to break down,clean up then actually build up the house. You could have save yourself the trouble and just buy a new house or build a new house some where else and skip that breakdown and clean up process . You can fix any character in fiction it doesn't mean that effort to do so it worth it.
Which bring me back to my Psylocke example, In hindsight they could have just introduce Kwannon. We can clearly see that renovating is actually a different character. Another example is the Immortal Hulk could clearly be a different character. Just imagine instead of renovating Hulk, They use that concept for another character an amazing strong character who can't die during the Night time because he got his power from through The green door from The One Below All. Fiction gives us the ability to pretend this is the same character have always known aka good writing.
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Have you met DC when it comes to their black characters, everyone else is a priority except the ones with melanin.
Exactly, half the issues these "bad characters" have is a result of the writer.
I mean that mission could have been accomplished without showing the a** crack, now it just looks like Vixen has a costume wedgie along with birthing birds out her cooch.
Artists who do stuff like this (i.e have costume that mold each boob a woman has, that mold each butt cheek, create boob or ab armor), show they lack an understanding when it comes to practicality.
Less orange I hope.
Like on the one hand the more characters that can be used to benefit Vixen the better but on the other hand, Red Lion is just a character Priest created as a joke and a bit of a homage to what he's known for with BP.
Eh I have no problem with it, I guess I just want to know why the push from fans here to make Red Lion a thing.
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My priority is black female characters; everything else is secondary.
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Marvel: Miles Morales, Riri Williams, Ororo Munroe, Thor, Quentin Quire.
DC Comics: Vixen, Batman, Bat Family, John Stewart, Roy Harper, Tempest, Poison Ivy, Raven.
Comics: Y: The Last Man, Justice League America (2009), Ultimate Comics: All New Spider-Man (2011)
Ships: Thororo/ThunderStorm, Vixen/hasn't been created, Jason Todd/Kathy Duquesne.
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Mostly because I love Priestroke and would like to see more elements of his stuff be used by others, but Red Lion is a great villain nonetheless. An oppressive dictator who butchers his own people, with a very dry sardonic sense of humor, he’s just fun to read about. And given Mari doesn’t have any real Rogues of her own, I’m just spitballing and talking about characters I think would be cool to see her fight.
exactly, independent of the Black Panther inspired visage, Red Lion reads as an intriguing character; I get protential African Doctor Doom vibes from him. He outsmarted and tricked Deathstroke just to steal his suit to make it his own, and caused some mischief for the Justice League for a political play. he seems like he could be a fun character if fleshed out properly. it also helps that, with Black Panther's cultural revitalization, a lot of DC fans seem to be more receptive of even the slightest whiff of something like Black Panther in the DC camp.
THE SIGNAL (Duke Thomas) is DC's secret shonen protagonist so I made him a fandom wiki
also, check out "The Signal Tape" a Duke Thomas fan project.
currently following:
- DC: Red Hood: The Hill
- Marvel: TBD
- Manga (Shonen/Seinen): One Piece, My Hero, Dandadan, Jujutsu Kaisen, Kaiju No. 8, Reincarnation of The Veteran Soldier, Oblivion Rouge, ORDEAL, The Breaker: Eternal Force
"power does not corrupt, power always reveals."
well I did it over in the Black Lightning thread, we did it again in the Cyborg thread, so let's try it for Vixen:
if DC were building a "Vixen Family" like the Flash Family or the Batfamily who would you recruit to roll over to expand Vixen's world?
look at it like your populating her personal city/domain with characters, like it's her Gotham, Metropolis, or Central City. including Vixen you need at least 7 additional characters, so 8 family members minimum. Since the Vixen conversation has steered toward rogues, let's also recruit 5 villains for her rogues gallery. so Vixen + 7 family members + 5 villains; so 13 characters in total. I'm gonna post my pitch in a bit, once I think of it
THE SIGNAL (Duke Thomas) is DC's secret shonen protagonist so I made him a fandom wiki
also, check out "The Signal Tape" a Duke Thomas fan project.
currently following:
- DC: Red Hood: The Hill
- Marvel: TBD
- Manga (Shonen/Seinen): One Piece, My Hero, Dandadan, Jujutsu Kaisen, Kaiju No. 8, Reincarnation of The Veteran Soldier, Oblivion Rouge, ORDEAL, The Breaker: Eternal Force
"power does not corrupt, power always reveals."