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Bob Iger just put Coogler in the middle of that Scorsese/coppola debate
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“They want to bitch about movies, it’s certainly their right,” Mr. Iger added, saying he’d gladly put those directors’ movies up against features directed for Marvel by Taika Waititi and Ryan Coogler. https://www.wsj.com/articles/disney-...cs-11571804492 … @WSJ
That's exactly why it worked for the story.
Doras look sympathetic when they're murdering rapists than say thieves or whatever. You can sort of root for them, or at least understand where they are coming from, even if they are essentially commiting unlawful murder. The long term attempt was never to make the Doras flat out villains, so they needed to make their victims worse than they were.
When you decide to make gods actual heroes in books, they often need to be potrayed more down to earth.
And yes, that does take a certain degree of mystique out of them. People like Reed and Doom have stuff in their closet which can probably take out most gods on earth (as they sem-regularly do to much higher end entities). On the grand scale of things, gods often sounds more impressive than they actually are.
I suppose it depends on whether or not you feel Wakanda is thrown under the bus for having a problem pretty much every other civilization in the history of mankind has. Like I've said several times, it's already established that Wakanda does have crime... we see kidnapping, drugs, murder, etc. To anyone who assumes Wakanda isn't the only civilization in human history to have human trafficing, it's not that jarring.
Ah yes, the "crack in Wakanda" story so beloved by Panther fans that nobody EVER refers to it.
To this day, I find it interesting that of all the "hidden kingdoms" of the Marvel U, only Wakanda needs to be made like "every other civilization".
I've never heard people begging for amphetamines in Attilan or organized crime in Olympia. It's only the African one that needs to reflect the worst parts of the nations around it.
One wonders why....
World building! Making it feel like a real place! To make it relatable...
Notice how that argument keeps getting brought up for why it's okay on Wakanda, yet in the MU no where else has been so blatantly obvious about it and to add further insult to injury, made it look in the most stereotypical way possible. Yet for Wakanda... This is deep cerebral work at play
How did Wakandan society fall so low? The explanation given by Coates based on his interview with the writer of Rise of the Black Panther was that the attacks of Dr. Doom, Namor and Thanos damaged the psyche of Wakandans.
Except that:
1. The insurgents that Dr. Doom assisted into power encountered civil disobedience from a large section of Wakanda. That does sound like something a broken people will do.
2. After said insurgency was routed and Dr. Doom thwarted T’Challa went on a self-imposed exile to America. Shuri ran Wakanda in his absence and the country was more or less stable. Then when T’Challa returned to Wakanda he coordinated the reconfiguration of the nation’s financial stability and thereby the welfare of its citizens.
3. After Namor’s attack Wakanda destroyed Atlantis and in quick secession stopped an alien invasion. Thanos eventually came to Wakanda but through other events he became a secret prisoner of Wakanda. Wakandans whether they knew it or not got their just due.
4. After Thanos was broken out of prison the United Nations General Assembly sided with him in two ways. They allowed Thanos to set up base in Wakanda and they prevented a fugitive T’Challa through the efforts of SHIELD / Captain Rogers from taking back Wakanda. T’Challa eventually prevailed and restored his nation.
T’Challa did his job of protecting Wakanda in the end which to me meant that the years of deconstruction of the character would be have reached the end of its cycle.
Now with regards to the concept of a ‘punchy story’ or a story that does not have enough punching between bad guys and good guys, one would have to look at the nature of super hero comics. Comics come from dime fiction/ pulp fiction books/magazines from the 1860s to 1940s thereabouts; the pulp books were split into categories of adventure, western, aviation, mystery, scandal etc. So, if you were a writer for an aviation pulp book you would not shoehorn a western story into it.
Superhero comics as a sub genre of comics are generally written with good vs evil characters in whatever shade of grey you want to put them; the villains are so insurmountable that it takes a super human force to stop their nefarious intentions. Coates’ villains are not insurmountable hence a simple punch would be enough to topple them. That is the reason for the delays in action scenes between the main protagonist and the main antagonist which gives the illusion that the story does not need those ‘punchy’ elements. Normally rising tension, plot twists, mind games etc would be used entertain the reader during those intervals where the main characters don’t ‘duke it out’ ala David Liss’ BP run but Coates did not use those techniques in his BP run. Some might not be troubled by the lack of ‘punchy’ elements but others will be.
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